the last effect is the first cause?

[dale]

the last effect is the first cause?

like in the big bang/crunch?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

like in the Yuga Cycle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is finite
to God?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience

is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?

the last effect is the first cause?

[Ted]

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is finite
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?
--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.

Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the
simple to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple
arrangement in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked,
and even more so after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that
only the FSM possesses the qualities necessary to have created the
universe.

Further, as explained in the Gospel, we know that the FSM created the
universe and biosphere in four days and then rested for three. Now
that you understand these truths, Dale, I recommend you read the
Gospel of the FSM and seek out a Pastafarian congregation near you to
answer any additional questions you may have in the future.

[dale]

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the simple
to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple arrangement
in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked, and even more so
after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that only the FSM
possesses the qualities necessary to have created the universe.
Further, as explained in the Gospel, we know that the FSM created the
universe and biosphere in four days and then rested for three. Now that
you understand these truths, Dale, I recommend you read the Gospel of
the FSM and seek out a Pastafarian congregation near you to answer any
additional questions you may have in the future.

yes, I have heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) and the book

what created the FSM? FSM is no answer to the first cause argument ...

the last effect is the first cause makes most sense to me

[Michael Christ]

Post by dale

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the
simple to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple
arrangement in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked, and
even more so after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that only
the FSM possesses the qualities necessary to have created the universe.
Further, as explained in the Gospel, we know that the FSM created the
universe and biosphere in four days and then rested for three. Now
that you understand these truths, Dale, I recommend you read the
Gospel of the FSM and seek out a Pastafarian congregation near you to
answer any additional questions you may have in the future.

yes, I have heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) and the book
what created the FSM? FSM is no answer to the first cause argument ...
the last effect is the first cause makes most sense to me

Don't expect many great thinkers in alt.atheism, they prefer the keep it
simple stupid (KISS) principle with emphasis on the stupid. :-).





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The truth is the testimony of life".

[Ted]

Post by dale

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause

argument?

Post by dale

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the simple
to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple

arrangement

Post by dale

Post by dale
in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked, and even more so
after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that only the FSM
possesses the qualities necessary to have created the universe.
Further, as explained in the Gospel, we know that the FSM created the
universe and biosphere in four days and then rested for three. Now that
you understand these truths, Dale, I recommend you read the

Gospel of

Post by dale

Post by dale
the FSM and seek out a Pastafarian congregation near you to

answer any

Post by dale

Post by dale
additional questions you may have in the future.

yes, I have heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) and the book
what created the FSM? FSM is no answer to the first cause argument ...
the last effect is the first cause makes most sense to me

Okay.

[Michael Christ]

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?
--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the simple
to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple arrangement
in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked, and even more so
after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that only the FSM
possesses the qualities necessary to have created the universe.

Hahahahahaha, you are so naughty Ted. My wife makes a nice spaghetti.



Michael Christ

Post by dale
Further, as explained in the Gospel, we know that the FSM created the
universe and biosphere in four days and then rested for three. Now that
you understand these truths, Dale, I recommend you read the Gospel of
the FSM and seek out a Pastafarian congregation near you to answer any
additional questions you may have in the future.

--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The truth is the testimony of life".

[dale]

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?
--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the
simple to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple
arrangement in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked, and
even more so after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that only
the FSM possesses the qualities necessary to have created the universe.

Hahahahahaha, you are so naughty Ted.  My wife makes a nice spaghetti.

the Mother side of my family is Italian

[Michael Christ]

Post by dale

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?
--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the
simple to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple
arrangement in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked,
and even more so after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that
only the FSM possesses the qualities necessary to have created the
universe.

Hahahahahaha, you are so naughty Ted.  My wife makes a nice spaghetti.

the Mother side of my family is Italian

No Italian in me but my best friend when I first found God was Italian
and I spent many a meal around the noisy table laughing and joking and
eating, and eating...and yeah...eating.

Loved it.





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The truth is the testimony of life".

[dale]

Post by Michael Christ

Post by dale

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?
--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the
simple to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple
arrangement in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked,
and even more so after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that
only the FSM possesses the qualities necessary to have created the
universe.

Hahahahahaha, you are so naughty Ted.  My wife makes a nice spaghetti.

the Mother side of my family is Italian

No Italian in me but my best friend when I first found God was Italian
and I spent many a meal around the noisy table laughing and joking and
eating, and eating...and yeah...eating.
Loved it.

I'm kind of spoiled with Italian food, very picky about it

[Michael Christ]

Post by dale

Post by Michael Christ

Post by dale

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause argument?
the last effect is the first cause?
--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the
simple to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple
arrangement in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked,
and even more so after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore,
that only the FSM possesses the qualities necessary to have created
the universe.

Hahahahahaha, you are so naughty Ted.  My wife makes a nice spaghetti.

the Mother side of my family is Italian

No Italian in me but my best friend when I first found God was Italian
and I spent many a meal around the noisy table laughing and joking and
eating, and eating...and yeah...eating.
Loved it.

I'm kind of spoiled with Italian food, very picky about it

My friend's mother used to start the spaghetti sauce for Sunday lunch
Saturday morning and boil and boil and boil and boil the sauce for what
seemed all day and into the night.

Yet when she had spaghetti she just had it with butter. As I remember
your manhood depended on how much you could eat; a little tongue in
cheek there, but nevertheless.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The truth is the testimony of life".

[Ted]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:19:12 +1100, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
like in the big bang/crunch?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
like in the Yuga Cycle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle
if God knows everything he knows all of eternity and eternity is

finite

Post by dale
to God?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience
is cyclical cause and effect the answer to the first cause

argument?

Post by Michael Christ

Post by dale

Post by dale
the last effect is the first cause?
--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

Employment of a bit of logic will answer your questions, Dale.
Now, we know that creation was a process of transforming from the simple
to the complex. And we know that spaghetti, from it's simple

arrangement

Post by Michael Christ

Post by dale
in the box, proceeds to a complex pattern when cooked, and even more so
after adding tomato sauce. We know, therefore, that only the FSM
possesses the qualities necessary to have created the universe.

Hahahahahaha, you are so naughty Ted. My wife makes a nice

spaghetti.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Heheh. Mine too.